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1	&	Brad:	&	 So today is July 19th, 2016. The time is 12:10 pm. And the location is Pohnpei. OK, so, um, how old are you, again?	\\
2	&	RK:	&	 I'm 28.	\\
3	&	Brad:	&	 28?	\\
4	&	RK:	&	 Yeah.	\\
5	&	Brad:	&	 OK. Um, and are you originally from Pohnpei or (.)?	\\
6	&	RK:	&	 Or born here, grew up here.	\\
7	&	Brad:	&	 OK.	\\
8	&	RK:	&	 Uh, \#.	\\
9	&	Brad:	&	 Uh, and so how long have you been living total in Pohnpei?	\\
10	&	RK:	&	 For about uh (.) I've been here all my life. Like 28 years so.	\\
11	&	Brad:	&	 OK. Uh, have you ever traveled abroad or (.)?	\\
12	&	RK:	&	 Uh, never been (.) traveled abroad. Yeah.	\\
13	&	Brad:	&	 OK. Um, so how would you describe the language situation in Pohnpei? Like what languages are spoken? What, when, when people speak them, etcetera?	\\
14	&	RK:	&	 Uh, you mean the Pohnpeian language, or (.)?	\\
15	&	Brad:	&	 Yeah, Pohnpeian language and other languages that people here in Pohnpei speak.	\\
16	&	RK:	&	 Well, this from what I see today is a lot of, you know, folks (.) or even um, like in the situation where, where I am right now, it's (.) their (.) the language, Pohnpeian language kind of like, um, it's never there. Or mostly English, people using English. The youngsters, they use straight, they use English. And I'm pretty much the (.) I'm sure they use English for, you know, use only uh, uh, Pohnpeian language at home, when you congregate through families.	\\
17	&	Brad:	&	 OK.	\\
18	&	RK:	&	 Yeah.	\\
19	&	Brad:	&	 So when you um, talk to your friends, what language do you typically use?	\\
20	&	RK:	&	 Our own kind of like, mix.	\\
21	&	Brad:	&	 OK.	\\
22	&	RK:	&	 We use the both language, Pohnpeian and English.	\\
23	&	Brad:	&	 OK.	\\
24	&	RK:	&	 Yeah.	\\
25	&	Brad:	&	 OK, OK. Um, so when did you start learning English?	\\
26	&	RK:	&	 When I was in high school.	\\
27	&	Brad:	&	 In high school.	\\
28	&	RK:	&	 Yeah.	\\
29	&	Brad:	&	 Did you go to a, a public school, or a private school.	\\
30	&	RK:	&	 Uh, I went to a public school.	\\
31	&	Brad:	&	 OK. Um, and when (.) So you started learning (.) so Pohnpeian was your first language?	\\
32	&	RK:	&	 Yeah, Pohnpeian was my first until-	\\
33	&	Brad:	&	 Until you learned it at home with your-	\\
34	&	RK:	&	 Yeah.	\\
35	&	Brad:	&	 (.) parents and family.	\\
36	&	RK:	&	 Sure, yeah.	\\
37	&	Brad:	&	 OK. Um (.) do you uh, know how to write in Pohnpeian, using like the official way of writing?	\\
38	&	RK:	&	 Yeah.	\\
39	&	Brad:	&	 OK. H-how did you learn that?	\\
40	&	RK:	&	 Uh, through, going through, uh, you know, of being (.) Working with my dad kind of (.) Is he write the  (.) Uh, uh, what's that, uh (.) When he preached for the church thing.	\\
41	&	Brad:	&	Mmm.	\\
42	&	RK:	&	 He has, uh, a title in the church thing, and he write them pretty much, uh, uh (.) It's kind of like, formal way of you know, writing Pohnpeian language, and then-	\\
43	&	Brad:	&	 Mmm.	\\
44	&	RK:	&	 (.) I can kind of like go through his stuff and then learn how to do it.	\\
45	&	Brad:	&	 OK.	\\
46	&	RK:	&	 Yeah. And, also by hanging out with the uh, leaders or the chiefs, and they, they would talk and I would listen through, you know (.) over ah, through over sakau feast. And that's how I learned how to use the language and how to write it.	\\
47	&	Brad:	&	 OK.	\\
48	&	RK:	&	 Yeah.	\\
49	&	Brad:	&	 Um, and do you know how to speak uh, uh, Meing?	\\
50	&	RK:	&	Excuse me?	\\
51	&	Brad:	&	 The high language?	\\
52	&	RK:	&	 High language? Yeah, I can. In some ways I can do it. When communicating to the uh, paramount chiefs, yeah.	\\
53	&	Brad:	&	 Um, how well do you speak it then? Like if you-	\\
54	&	RK:	&	 Not pretty good, but-	\\
55	&	Brad:	&	 But, enough.	\\
56	&	RK:	&	 Yeah, yeah, enough to talk to the (.)	\\
57	&	Brad:	&	 Alright, and how did you learn that?	\\
58	&	RK:	&	 Uh, by, like, you know, teaching myself in the traditional ways of you know, the feast and everything that we offer to our chiefs or the paramount chiefs-	\\
59	&	Brad:	&	 Mmm.	\\
60	&	RK:	&	 (.) I've been (.) You know, I hear them talk and I listen and try to practice it, and (.)	\\
61	&	Brad:	&	 Mmm. Uh, how often do you typically use it?	\\
62	&	RK:	&	 Well, as of right now, my situation here, there's, you know (.) I worked with a, she's a, I mean she's, she's a, you know, she has a title, the Luhk, Luhkpein. And I use English also, and I use the uh, you know, Meing and Pohnpeian too, just to address her.	\\
63	&	Brad:	&	 OK, so whenever you speak to her in Pohnpeian-	\\
64	&	RK:	&	 Yeah.	\\
65	&	Brad:	&	 you use-	\\
66	&	RK:	&	 I use Meing.	\\
67	&	Brad:	&	 Meing?	\\
68	&	RK:	&	 Yeah.	\\
69	&	Brad:	&	 OK. Um, so if you could learn any language right now? What language would you choose?	\\
70	&	RK:	&	 I would cover Japanese.	\\
71	&	Brad:	&	 Japanese?	\\
72	&	RK:	&	 Yeah.	\\
73	&	Brad:	&	 And wh-why would you do that?	\\
74	&	RK:	&	Well (.) They have their (.) It's, it's kind @ of like an historical therapy here. And our great-great fathers, they, they taught us a bit about Japanese. Like, in numbers, how to count in Japanese. So I pretty much grew up you know, kind of like interested in their language `cause it's been there, the, the, you know the paren (.) parents or (.) they taught me that. But I cannot speak the language. I mean, I don't really know the language. Yeah.	\\
75	&	Brad:	&	 OK.	\\
76	&	RK:	&	 I took Chinese in college. Yeah, back at COM but, I would love to learn Japanese as I grew up. Yeah.	\\
77	&	Brad:	&	 Hmm. Uh, do you speak any other Micronesian languages?	\\
78	&	RK:	&	 Hmm, I only (.) Oh, only that side is Mortlockese so, that's it.	\\
79	&	Brad:	&	 So you can speak Mortlockese?	\\
80	&	RK:	&	 Yeah, but not really good. I can listen to them. I can know what they're saying. But I kind of like (.) The accent of my saying it's, it's off @.	\\
81	&	Brad:	&	 @	\\
82	&	RK:	&	 Yeah @.	\\
83	&	Brad:	&	OK.	\\
84	&	RK:	&	 Yeah.	\\
85	&	Brad:	&	 Um, so when you're with, um, Mortlockese family or friends, what language do you speak with them?	\\
86	&	RK:	&	 I use Pohnpeian.	\\
87	&	Brad:	&	 OK.	\\
88	&	RK:	&	 Yeah.	\\
89	&	Brad:	&	 And they understand you OK?	\\
90	&	RK:	&	 Yeah.	\\
91	&	Brad:	&	 OK. Um (.) Uh, do you think any languages that you experience here are, are beautiful or ugly or (.)?	\\
92	&	RK:	&	 Uh, well, they're beauti (.)interesting and you know, a lot of different languages then, then different people. So, it's fun to learn and you know-	\\
93	&	Brad:	&	 OK.	\\
94	&	RK:	&	 (.) interact with them, too (.) with the language, yeah.	\\
95	&	Brad:	&	 OK. Um, do you have any kids yet? Or (.)	\\
96	&	RK:	&	 Kids?	\\
97	&	Brad:	&	 Kids, children, yeah?	\\
98	&	RK:	&	 Yeah. I have a daughter.	\\
99	&	Brad:	&	 OK. Um, do you want your daughter to learn many languages, or, you know, just learn enough, or, or, which languages do you want her to learn, eventually?	\\
100	&	RK:	&	 Oh a lit (.) I would love, you know, I would love her for to learn uh, English. `Cause-	\\
101	&	Brad:	&	 OK.	\\
102	&	RK:	&	 Yeah. We've been dealing a lot of things, and it's all about English @-	\\
103	&	Brad:	&	 Mmm.	\\
104	&	RK:	&	 (.) so, yeah. I see a lot of kids growing up and they kind of like got into a situation where can't, they, they cannot talk to, you know (.) Communicate with uh, our neighbors or even their friends or teacher, `cause (.) they're kind of like scared. One @ traditional thing about us, we don't (.) One we (.) You know, that's the thing about Pohnpeian life, you don't just, if you know the language, y-you don't just, you know, burst out, and just talk in front of people and just (.) That's uh, considered disrespectful.	\\
105	&	Brad:	&	 Hmm.	\\
106	&	RK:	&	 Yeah.	\\
107	&	Brad:	&	 OK. Um-	\\
108	&	RK:	&	 And (.) Yeah.	\\
109	&	Brad:	&	 So, are there any other Micronesian languages that you would want-	\\
110	&	RK:	&	My kid	\\
111	&	Brad:	&	 her to learn. Yeah your kid to learn.	\\
112	&	RK:	&	 Pohnpeian.	\\
113	&	Brad:	&	 Pohnpeian?	\\
114	&	RK:	&	 Yeah.	\\
115	&	Brad:	&	 OK. Um, so for work, you work here, right? Um, what exactly is your job?	\\
116	&	RK:	&	 Oh I-I'm an intern here.	\\
117	&	Brad:	&	 OK.	\\
118	&	RK:	&	 Yeah.	\\
119	&	Brad:	&	 Uh, and when you work here, what languages do you typically (.) Y-you say you worked (.) You speak a l-little bit of (.) You speak Pohnpeian with-	\\
120	&	RK:	&	 Yeah (.)	\\
121	&	Brad:	&	 (.) coworkers-	\\
122	&	RK:	&	 (.) but mostly English, yeah.	\\
123	&	Brad:	&	 Mostly English? OK. Um (.) Uh, in, in what situation would you use Pohnpeian here?	\\
124	&	RK:	&	 Pohnpeian?	\\
125	&	Brad:	&	 Yeah.	\\
126	&	RK:	&	 OK, when things uh (.) When, when we're uh, situations like (.) It's not about work. It's about anything else that we talk about over lunch or (.) Yeah.	\\
127	&	Brad:	&	 OK. But if it's work stuff, you speak-	\\
128	&	RK:	&	 Yeah-	\\
129	&	Brad:	&	 (.) in English-	\\
130	&	RK:	&	 (.) in English.	\\
131	&	Brad:	&	 OK. Um, when you (.) Do you send emails and stuff for work or (.)?	\\
132	&	RK:	&	 Yeah, sure.	\\
133	&	Brad:	&	 Oh, when you write emails and stuff for like on the computer, do you (.)?	\\
134	&	RK:	&	 It's, it's in English, yeah @.	\\
135	&	Brad:	&	 In English, yeah @. Um, and d-do you use Facebook, and social media si-	\\
136	&	RK:	&	\# Yeah.	\\
137	&	Brad:	&	 So when you're doing that, what languages do you use?	\\
138	&	RK:	&	 Oh, I can see all my friends. And you know, they're Pohnpeian, they're from Micronesia, but they're using English. So @-	\\
139	&	Brad:	&	 Using English? OK @. Do you ever use Pohnpeian on Facebook? Or (.)	\\
140	&	RK:	&	 Yeah. Yeah.	\\
141	&	Brad:	&	 OK.	\\
142	&	RK:	&	 Often.	\\
143	&	Brad:	&	 Yeah.	\\
144	&	RK:	&	 Yeah, but mostly English @.	\\
145	&	Brad:	&	 But mostly English. OK, OK. Um (.) so when you're outside of work, like when you, you go to the store, or you know, you go to buy things-	\\
146	&	RK:	&	 Yeah (.)	\\
147	&	Brad:	&	 (.) what languages do you use?	\\
148	&	RK:	&	 Pohnpeian.	\\
149	&	Brad:	&	 Pohnpeian?	\\
150	&	RK:	&	 Yeah.	\\
151	&	Brad:	&	 Um, and-	\\
152	&	RK:	&	 Guaranteed Pohnpeian.	\\
153	&	Brad:	&	 Yeah.	\\
154	&	RK:	&	 You gotta use Pohnpeian, yeah.	\\
155	&	Brad:	&	 So when you're calm and stuff you use Pohnpeian. So just, just at work?	\\
156	&	RK:	&	 Yeah.	\\
157	&	Brad:	&	 Um, OK. So, when you speak Pohnpeian, do y-do you use a lot of English words?	\\
158	&	RK:	&	 Yeah, like uh (.) when, kind of like mix them up?	\\
159	&	Brad:	&	 Mmm.	\\
160	&	RK:	&	 Sure. We use the (.) Oftenly we use (.) pretty much for my friends, we talk in Pohnpeian, speak in Pohnpeian, then, then we kind of like, we mix it up just to you know, make them feel the mood about you know @-	\\
161	&	Brad:	&	 Mmm.	\\
162	&	RK:	&	 (.) if you know, kind of like, youngsters doing stuff that some others don't know, but yeah (.) So we use them just to you know (.)	\\
163	&	Brad:	&	 OK.	\\
164	&	RK:	&	 Or, I don't know, maybe generosity, or (.) Yeah.	\\
165	&	Brad:	&	 Um, so (.) what kind of people use a lot of English words? Like i-in where, like, people living in Kolonia, people living in the villages, young people, old people-	\\
166	&	RK:	&	 I would-	\\
167	&	Brad:	&	 (.) whatever?	\\
168	&	RK:	&	 English would? The-	\\
169	&	Brad:	&	 Yeah.	\\
170	&	RK:	&	 (.) most of people in Kolonia they (.) Because if they're different ethnicity, or where they came from, like Mwokil and, most of them, they're speaking from (.) And most of the people from here, they kind of like, go to private school, and-	\\
171	&	Brad:	&	 OK.	\\
172	&	RK:	&	 (.) stuff so. When you have to come and get with them, you talk to them in English and you can mix them up in Pohnpeian too, but it's mostly in English. But people from the villagers, or where your community's from, or municipalities, you talk to them in Pohnpeian real classic way.	\\
173	&	Brad:	&	 OK. So you don't use many English -	\\
174	&	RK:	&	 Yeah.	\\
175	&	Brad:	&	 (.) words in the villages?	\\
176	&	RK:	&	 Yeah.	\\
177	&	Brad:	&	 OK. Understand. Um, do you think, um (.) So what is your view of the history of, th-the future of Pohnpei, uh, in terms of language. Do you think Pohnpeians will still speak Pohnpeian in you know, 20--50 years? Or, how do (.) What do you think Pohnpei will be like then?	\\
178	&	RK:	&	 Uh, I would say that uh, that it's (.) They, they might (.) This language might disappear for about 50 years from now, or from 50 years from now, because there's a lot of things about (.) things that you do at work, do in school, it's all about English. So, kids have to grow up learning English from elementary. And even in public school, their curriculum, they kind of like changed it to uh (.) Some of the teachers (.) most of the teachers in public school now, they're kind of like introducing English to their kids, you know, their students, to speak, to try and speak them through fifth grade up to eight grade. Uh (.)	\\
179	&	Brad:	&	 OK. Um, do you think it's important that schools use Pohnpeian?	\\
180	&	RK:	&	 Yeah. I think they're gonna have to weigh 50/50 `cause the most important thing you have to know how (.) where you came from and where, you know, what, what is, what foundations that you've built from. Then you can learn English pretty much good and excellent, great, yeah.	\\
181	&	Brad:	&	 OK. Uh, do you think most Pohnpeians would agree with you, or do you think Pohnpeians don't care about language?	\\
182	&	RK:	&	 Yeah. Well, from what I see, we don't have any, like, what you're trying to do here. Um, you're working on your PhD., yeah?	\\
183	&	Brad:	&	 Mmm.	\\
184	&	RK:	&	So, I would say maybe how our elders that care about language now, and our language, Pohnpeian language. But today it's all about communicating. We don't even care about our uh, traditional ways of saying things, in, in a respectful way. And, yeah, I think they're not gonna agree with me (.) Wait! Oh, maybe they're gonna agree with me that our language can disappear about you know-	\\
185	&	Brad:	&	 Mmm.	\\
186	&	RK:	&	 (.) after 500 hundred years from now, or 50 years from now, maybe.	\\
187	&	Brad:	&	 OK.	\\
188	&	RK:	&	 Yeah.	\\
189	&	Brad:	&	 So, who are the people that are trying to keep the language and the traditional ways?	\\
190	&	RK:	&	 Uh, mostly uh, people from the uh, uh municipalities like (.) from where you can find the paramount chief from, yeah.	\\
191	&	Brad:	&	 Mmm.	\\
192	&	RK:	&	 And given in families like, where they pra- still practice their way of living, of Pohnpeian ways. And, yeah, that's pretty much. But here in town, maybe @, maybe you're gonna have to fi (.) Uh, you'll often find people speaking English most of the time.	\\
193	&	Brad:	&	 OK. Um (.) OK, so um, what do you think, um, foreigners want for Pohnpei's language future. Like, of like the US Gov-Embassy or Australians or Japanese or other people? Do you (.) What do you think that they want for Pohnpei, in terms of language?	\\
194	&	RK:	&	I would say that uh, they would want Pohnpei to keep their language, but they have to learn how to speak English and learn in English, `cause we're under a system of government where you have to (.) where we pick the uh, system coming from the US, so. Pretty much saying they would want us to keep our language `cause that's our heritage, and that's the beauty of, the beauty of Pohnpei. That's the traditional ways and culture, but they also want you know, 50/50. So, they would want the people to keep their language and culture and ways.	\\
195	&	Brad:	&	 So can someone still be Pohnpeian and not speak Pohnpei, Pohnpeian?	\\
196	&	RK:	&	 Yeah. You can find some here @.	\\
197	&	Brad:	&	 Mmm. But are (.) You think that they're less Pohnpeian, if they don't speak Pohnpeian?	\\
198	&	RK:	&	 Hmm-	\\
199	&	Brad:	&	 Or that if you speak Pohnpeian, you're more Pohnpeian?	\\
200	&	RK:	&	 Hmm, that's a pretty much difficult ah question to answer, but for me uh, my (.) In a few, I would say uh, it doesn't make any difference `cause, if he doesn't speak Pohnpeian, but it kind of like interrupt with the culture and living with the culture, live with the people, it's kind of (.) But he cannot say the language, but he you know, engage himself and launch into the uh, anything, any activity that the community does, I think that uh, he is a Pohnpeian too.	\\
201	&	Brad:	&	 OK.	\\
202	&	RK:	&	 Yeah.	\\
203	&	Brad:	&	 So as long as you still do the stuff.	\\
204	&	RK:	&	 Yeah.	\\
205	&	Brad:	&	 The cultural things, then-	\\
206	&	RK:	&	 Yeah.	\\
207	&	Brad:	&	 (.) you're still Pohnpeian.	\\
208	&	RK:	&	 Yeah.	\\
209	&	Brad:	&	 It doesn't matter-	\\
210	&	RK:	&	 Yeah.	\\
211	&	Brad:	&	 (.) about going-	\\
212	&	RK:	&	 Yeah, it doesn't matter about-	\\
213	&	Brad:	&	 So if you spoke English at uh, like a at a feast or a funeral, that would be OK, as long as you're still there doing-	\\
214	&	RK:	&	 Yeah.	\\
215	&	Brad:	&	 (.) other things. OK. Um, is being able to speak Pohnpeian uh, important for you?	\\
216	&	RK:	&	 Oh yes.	\\
217	&	Brad:	&	 So if you, if you stopped speaking Pohnpeian, how would you feel?	\\
218	&	RK:	&	 I wou (.) must feel lost \#.	\\
219	&	Brad:	&	 Hmm.	\\
220	&	RK:	&	 Yeah.	\\
221	&	Brad:	&	 Uh, and, and what would happen if um, l-ike if, if you, if your kids someday, stopped speaking Pohnpeian? Then they moved to the US or some place and then they only spoke English or another language? How would you feel about that?	\\
222	&	RK:	&	 Uh, I would (.) I'll be happy for them.	\\
223	&	Brad:	&	 Hmm.	\\
224	&	RK:	&	 Yeah.	\\
225	&	Brad:	&	 OK. Um, so, when you get information, ab-like news, or whatever information about local things, or about world events or whatever. Um, what ways (.) what sources do you use? Like, how do you get information like that?	\\
226	&	RK:	&	 Uh through th-through the radio.	\\
227	&	Brad:	&	 OK.	\\
228	&	RK:	&	 Yeah. And pe (.) Pohnpei is a small island, so, rumors go @ around very fast-	\\
229	&	Brad:	&	 Uh-huh.	\\
230	&	RK:	&	 (.) and from friends and you know, off shows like, day talk. They do talk sometimes, like-	\\
231	&	Brad:	&	 Mmm.	\\
232	&	RK:	&	 (.) that's-	\\
233	&	Brad:	&	 And in, in what language is (.) Like the radio is mostly in what language?	\\
234	&	RK:	&	 Um, like, there is some (.) We have fm, and that guy who you know, broadcasts from the FM, he's Pohnpeian too, but he speaks English.	\\
235	&	Brad:	&	 OK.	\\
236	&	RK:	&	 And we have V6AH the AM, and they speak Pohnpeian. That's uh, that's the most uh, uh, you know, uh, the radio that Pohnpeian always listen to, it's the AM.	\\
237	&	Brad:	&	 Mmm. So a lot of people-	\\
238	&	RK:	&	 Mmm.	\\
239	&	Brad:	&	 (.) listen to the AM?	\\
240	&	RK:	&	 Mmm.	\\
241	&	Brad:	&	 Um, and then when you're getting news you're talking to friends about news and stuff-	\\
242	&	RK:	&	 Yeah.	\\
243	&	Brad:	&	 (.) do you speak Pohnpeian or English?	\\
244	&	RK:	&	 Well, we speak in Pohnpeian.	\\
245	&	Brad:	&	 OK.	\\
246	&	RK:	&	 Yeah.	\\
247	&	Brad:	&	 Um, OK. So do you ever go to like uh, sakau bars, or places to talk to people and (.)?	\\
248	&	RK:	&	 Oh yes. We-	\\
249	&	Brad:	&	 Yeah-	\\
250	&	RK:	&	 We speak Pohnpeian-	\\
251	&	Brad:	&	 You keep spe-	\\
252	&	RK:	&	 Yeah, yeah-	\\
253	&	Brad:	&	 (.) Pohnpeian there, yeah.	\\
254	&	RK:	&	 Yeah, yeah. We kind of like finally, yeah (.) That's where we uh, kind of like root it to the ground you know, find the feeling of you know, real Pohnpeian just to drink sakau and-	\\
255	&	Brad:	&	 Mmm.	\\
256	&	RK:	&	 (.) talk to another Pohnpeian as in, in your own language-	\\
257	&	Brad:	&	 Hmm.	\\
258	&	RK:	&	 (.) Pohnpei. So it felt great to be you know, in that very environment where your surroundings, where you can see all about Pohnpei. So, it's pretty safe there @.	\\
259	&	Brad:	&	 @ Mkay. So, drinking like sakau was very important for you like to be-	\\
260	&	RK:	&	 Yeah.	\\
261	&	Brad:	&	 (.) to be Pohnpeian?	\\
262	&	RK:	&	 Yeah.	\\
263	&	Brad:	&	 Um, do people ever use English wh-when drinking sakau?	\\
264	&	RK:	&	 Uh, sometimes, but not always. They (.) just some words, but-	\\
265	&	Brad:	&	 Yeah, but most-	\\
266	&	RK:	&	 (.) just for fun!	\\
267	&	Brad:	&	 Yeah.	\\
268	&	RK:	&	 Yeah, that's the thing. Most of us use English and we can like, uh, what am I going to say, OK, what's the word, yeah. We use it just for fun for communicating in between the Pohnpeians. And it's rather funnier to, when you see your friends speaking, and you see another person try to cut in just to try and speak English.	\\
269	&	Brad:	&	 Mmm.	\\
270	&	RK:	&	 That's fun too.	\\
271	&	Brad:	&	 OK.	\\
272	&	RK:	&	 But not always. We, when we sit down for sakau, we speak Pohnpei.	\\
273	&	Brad:	&	 Alright, OK.	\\
274	&	RK:	&	 Yeah.	\\
275	&	Brad:	&	 OK, good. Um, when you (.) Do you go to church at all?	\\
276	&	RK:	&	 Yeah.	\\
277	&	Brad:	&	 When you go to church, what language-	\\
278	&	RK:	&	 Pohnpeian. It's-	\\
279	&	Brad:	&	 Pohnpeian?	\\
280	&	RK:	&	 Yeah.	\\
281	&	Brad:	&	 Yeah. Um, and do you ever do things with uh, the Pohnpei's state government?	\\
282	&	RK:	&	 Uh, like (.)?	\\
283	&	Brad:	&	 Hmm, I don't know. Talk to the governor, governor's office, or, maybe like-	\\
284	&	RK:	&	 Yeah, recently we just uh, last Friday we did um, uh, this little movement against the governor. And, yeah, of selling out the sea cucumbers. So we did a protest, against them.	\\
285	&	Brad:	&	 Hmm.	\\
286	&	RK:	&	 And we did go over there and the, then with (.) Earlier that day, we went to a meeting and then the governor was speaking Pohnpei, and we shouted, ``Yeah, we speak Pohnpei"-	\\
287	&	Brad:	&	 In Pohnpei?	\\
288	&	RK:	&	 (.) yeah.	\\
289	&	Brad:	&	 In the protest?	\\
290	&	RK:	&	 Yeah.	\\
291	&	Brad:	&	 OK. Um, but then when you go to the national government-	\\
292	&	RK:	&	 Government.	\\
293	&	Brad:	&	 (.) What language do you use when you talk to the national government?	\\
294	&	RK:	&	 Uh, when it comes to the national level, we use uh, English and Pohnpeian too.	\\
295	&	Brad:	&	 OK. So, if the person's from Pohnpei at the national government-	\\
296	&	RK:	&	 Yeah, and then you have to speak-	\\
297	&	Brad:	&	 (.) then you speak-	\\
298	&	RK:	&	 (.) to him in Pohnpei-	\\
299	&	Brad:	&	 In Pohnpei.	\\
300	&	RK:	&	 Yeah.	\\
301	&	Brad:	&	 But if he's from another state-	\\
302	&	RK:	&	 Yeah.	\\
303	&	Brad:	&	 (.) then you speak, English, unless-	\\
304	&	RK:	&	 English is to government \# I mean to national.	\\
305	&	Brad:	&	 OK. OK, I understand. Um, do you think that um, if someone, another Micronesian (.) a person from another state of the FSM, or from Marshall Island to ever moves to Pohnpei, do you think it's important for them to learn Pohnpeian?	\\
306	&	RK:	&	 Oh yes. To be able to get through, around the communities and through, you know, government, or the line of work, or the line of work you're in, you have to learn Pohnpeian.	\\
307	&	Brad:	&	 OK. What about other f-foreigners? Like men who have like come and live here. Do you think it's important that they-	\\
308	&	RK:	&	 Ohh-	\\
309	&	Brad:	&	 (.) Um-	\\
310	&	RK:	&	 (.) they should learn the language.	\\
311	&	Brad:	&	 OK.	\\
312	&	RK:	&	 They really should learn the language. I mean, it's very funny. It's kind of (.) It's no way to get around the island. And the, the people are really kind if you did know how to speak their language. If you did speak the language, I mean, if (.) Earlier I said that uh, it doesn't matter if you don't know how to speak, but you're Pohnpeian, and it doesn't make any differences, but, yeah, in some ways if you're (.) There's a lot of folks who came here, like foreigners, like yourself. They came here, but they cannot speak the language very well, so usually you can tell by when they're speaking, they're not Pohnpeian.	\\
313	&	Brad:	&	 Hmm.	\\
314	&	RK:	&	 But they're actually engaging to activities that were you know, related to cultural activities. And we pay respect to those people, `cause they're kind of like uh, an inspiration for us that's (.) they're trying to blend in, where they don't fit in, but they still went through it and through it. So, doesn't matter the language, but yeah (.) But when you learn the language, even, that's even more better when you communicate and then you, you know, interact with them, and do things.	\\
315	&	Brad:	&	 OK. Hmm, OK. Um (.) Alright. Um, that's all I have for the list of questions. Is there anything else that um, you would like to say about language and Pohnpei or Pohnpeian or um (.) Things that you find meaningful about Pohnpeian?	\\
316	&	RK:	&	 Uh-	\\
317	&	Brad:	&	 Or just anything you like to add in general?	\\
318	&	RK:	&	 Uh, well, not now, but Pohnpeian rocks @.	\\
319	&	Brad:	&	 OK @.	\\
320	&	RK:	&	 Yeah.	\\
321	&	Brad:	&	 Um, so what is (.) If you could say one thing about Pohnpeian like to someone not from Pohnpei, that's never heard of Pohnpeian-	\\
322	&	RK:	&	 Yeah.	\\
323	&	Brad:	&	 (.) how would you describe Pohnpeian to this person?	\\
324	&	RK:	&	 Well, I would say Pohnpeian language, Pohnpeian language or (.) we were talking about Pohnpeian language here.	\\
325	&	Brad:	&	 Yeah.	\\
326	&	RK:	&	 That uh, the language is easy to learn. It in (.) When you uh, you know, uh describe the, I mean, the (.) relate to the uh English word, it kind of like, in reverse, but it is easy to learn. Maybe two months or three months you can learn the language. And the language uh, in the tone of the language doesn't really act uh, come out as in like in masculine or you know, and create kind of like peaceful and quiet. And we talk, not really slow-	\\
327	&	Brad:	&	 Mmm.	\\
328	&	RK:	&	 (.) but in the pace where you can really understand what we're talking about.	\\
329	&	Brad:	&	 OK.	\\
330	&	RK:	&	 Yeah.	\\
331	&	Brad:	&	 Hmm. What, what makes it easy?	\\
332	&	RK:	&	 Easy to learn?	\\
333	&	Brad:	&	 Yeah.	\\
334	&	RK:	&	 As um, it's (.) I mean the sound of it (.) I-I mean, I'm not the, you know (.) but the sound, you can just listen, and it's kind of like um, almost in Kusaiean way, in Kusaiean language and Pohnpeian language pretty much uh, easier than Chuukese, Yapese language.	\\
335	&	Brad:	&	 Mmm.	\\
336	&	RK:	&	 There is, there is a tone in it `cause, that is so obvious that you can tell by that person who's speaking that language h-he was trying t-to tell, you know, describe something that you can just sit there and see that he's talking to you or saying something @ angry back, yeah.	\\
337	&	Brad:	&	 Mmm. OK.	\\
338	&	RK:	&	 `Cause it's easy `cause, when we talk we put on an expression of what we're talking about. We don't just sit and talk, speak or, but we don't (.) We kind of like into the mood of talking and it's easy to learn, yeah.	\\
339	&	Brad:	&	 OK.	\\
340	&	RK:	&	 Kind of like English too, though.	\\
341	&	Brad:	&	 Hmm. OK, I understand. Um, when you (.) people speak Pohnpeian-	\\
342	&	RK:	&	 Yeah?	\\
343	&	Brad:	&	 (.) is uh, or rather, is it, to be respectful in, in Pohnpei, um, are people who speak Pohnpeian more respectful than the English, or is it easier to be respectful if you speak Pohnpeian?	\\
344	&	RK:	&	 Yeah, when, when you, when you created that um, that uh person, out of respectful then you're going to have to learn the language very fast. Yeah. I mean, you're going to learn the language very fast, no doubt. If you created a feeling you know, or ah, you know, you're your own, uh, what am I going to say, be respectful. `Cause that's what it is. And today, you don't see that much, because of the media. I mean, the young, the youth today, they learn things from the media and that's one thing I know we talk, like, you know, homies and such, and that's, and that's even make the language you know, going to disappear. Because of the media and what we see from the movies. Kids see more movies. But-	\\
345	&	Brad:	&	 Hmm.	\\
346	&	RK:	&	 (.) to be able to learn the language you know, easily or very fast, you're go to have to create your own self very humble and respectful.	\\
347	&	Brad:	&	 Mmm.	\\
348	&	RK:	&	 So you're gonna learn very fast.	\\
349	&	Brad:	&	 Mmm. How do you show (.) h-how do you be humble and show respect through language and through Pohnpeian?	\\
350	&	RK:	&	 The, they say that the foundation of respect or humble of a man from Pohnpei, the way to create you know, the foundation, yeah. That's what they say. It's, it comes from saying, hi or hello. We (.) two strangers going past each other on the road, and then, when one of them or even both of them, they have to stop and (.) Almost like Japanese culture, too uh-	\\
351	&	Brad:	&	 Mmm.	\\
352	&	RK:	&	 (.) yeah, say kaselehlie, yeah. The uh (.) That particular word, kaselehlie means that it, you describe your inner soul, that it's (.) The day was great and you're expressing the day to that person to, to experience what are you feeling, in the humble way.	\\
353	&	Brad:	&	 Mmm.	\\
354	&	RK:	&	 Yeah. But, yeah, I'm not a histor- @, but uh, historian, but uh, that's what I heard from my great grandfathers or from the chiefs. They say that the uh foundation of cultural, and traditional Pohnpei cultural, it comes from saying hello, or kaselehlie, yeah.	\\
355	&	Brad:	&	 Hmm.	\\
356	&	RK:	&	 That's the first thing that uh, built the uh, you know, the uh, network of, or the system of respect. It come from that particular word, kaselehlie. And we have uh, we like good afternoon, like kaselehlie. As I said before, yeah, you describe what is in you, share it to that person like, kaselehlie means beautiful, beautiful day. And wh-when we say, good morning, like, as an example, you say, menseng mwahu, means, morning, good.	\\
357	&	Brad:	&	 Mmm.	\\
358	&	RK:	&	 Yeah. And then you tell it that person, you say, menseng mwahu. And that person can say, menseng. But you guys are real (.) What are you guys trying to do is, your guys are complimenting the day. That ear-that means, that morning was very great, means good, it's good. So that's what you guys are complimenting, on your way of passing each other. When you hit the (.) I mean, noon, you say, souwas mwahu. In Pohnpeian language when we say sun, you mean the sun means, in the old way, they say sou. S-O-U. Souwas, was means not good, being naughty or uh, uh, horrible. Was, like a naughty kid or someone horrible. And we say souwas, that's two word they combined together means, the sun being naughty. It's very hot when it's right there. So we say souwas mwahu @.	\\
359	&	Brad:	&	 @	\\
360	&	RK:	&	 It means naughty good @.	\\
361	&	Brad:	&	 Right @.	\\
362	&	RK:	&	 Kind of like complimenting the day to each other.	\\
363	&	Brad:	&	 Hmm.	\\
364	&	RK:	&	 Yeah. And soutik too. When we say soutik, means the sun was sou-tik, means evening. Good evening. The sun was right there about to sit, `cause it was getting smaller.	\\
365	&	Brad:	&	 Oh yeah. Tika-, like tikatik.	\\
366	&	RK:	&	 Yeah, tikatik.	\\
367	&	Brad:	&	 Yeah.	\\
368	&	RK:	&	 Yeah. Yeah. But that's, that's, yeah, that's Pohnpeian life. Which we (.)	\\
369	&	Brad:	&	 Hmm.	\\
370	&	RK:	&	 That's what they say about you know, the respect that's coming, that foundation of the build up of respect and our talking from uh,  complimenting each other and you know, saying hi or little kaselehlie \#.	\\
371	&	Brad:	&	 OK.	\\
372	&	RK:	&	 And then after that, it comes after that, then you have to offer feast to the um, marquis, and you know, offer the first offering.	\\
373	&	Brad:	&	 Um, do you think that this, like that Pohnpeian is like tied to Pohnpei, to the land, to the island, in any way?	\\
374	&	RK:	&	 The language.	\\
375	&	Brad:	&	 Yeah. So, if you took Pohnpei outside of po- (.) outside of the island, would it be different?	\\
376	&	RK:	&	 I don't think so.	\\
377	&	Brad:	&	 OK.	\\
378	&	RK:	&	 Yeah. I think it's (.) The, the people in that island, the particular island, it's the uh (.) I mean, they're kind of the heart and the soul of the uh, the culture that is living on the island.	\\
379	&	Brad:	&	 Hmm. OK. Hmm. So, do you think Pohnpeian, the language would have to change, like if you spoke it in Guam, or in or on the US mainland, or in Hawaii? Would it be any different? Like, would you have to change anything?	\\
380	&	RK:	&	 Hmm, no, no. I don't think so.	\\
381	&	Brad:	&	 OK.	\\
382	&	RK:	&	 Yeah.	\\
383	&	Brad:	&	 OK.	\\
384	&	RK:	&	 Yeah.	\\
385	&	Brad:	&	 Well, those are all the questions that I have.	\\
386	&	RK:	&	 Well, sure.	\\
387	&	Brad:	&	 So, well, thank you so much.	\\
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