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1	&	MK:	&	 OK.	\\
2	&	Brad:	&	 Today is Tuesday, July 19th, 2016. The time is 11:38 a.m. OK. Um, so, just a couple of (.) you already answered some of these questions, but, uh, just as a quick background. So, um, what is your age? If you don't mind saying.	\\
3	&	MK:	&	37	\\
4	&	Brad:	&	 37. Um, and how long have you lived in Pohnpei overall?	\\
5	&	MK:	&	 Um, well, I have lived in Pohnpei off and on. Um, I was born in the US and raised here in Pohnpei when from the age two up until the age 13. Then I lived in Illinois to go to high school, um, for about four years and then (.) But, would come back during the summer. Um, and then went off to college, um, in Omaha, Nebraska for four years, and ended up living there a total of six years. And then came back, actually, in 2005, so I've lived here for 11 years now.	\\
6	&	Brad:	&	 OK.	\\
7	&	MK:	&	 Without going back to the states or living in the states, so.	\\
8	&	Brad:	&	 OK.	\\
9	&	MK:	&	 So I would say, total of, like, almost 20 plus years.	\\
10	&	Brad:	&	 OK.Mmm.	\\
11	&	MK:	&	 Great.	\\
12	&	Brad:	&	 Um, so what languages do you speak, then?	\\
13	&	MK:	&	 I just, I just speak Pohnpeian and English. Um, I would say those are my fluent, the languages that I know fluently.	\\
14	&	Brad:	&	 OK.	\\
15	&	MK:	&	 And speak fluently. But, then I play around with the other languages.	\\
16	&	Brad:	&	 OK.	\\
17	&	MK:	&	 The other Micronesian languages.	\\
18	&	Brad:	&	 Such as?	\\
19	&	MK:	&	 Well, Kosraean, Chuukese, Marshallese. Um, trying Palauan, but that's really hard and Yapese is very difficult, but, yeah.	\\
20	&	Brad:	&	 OK. Great. Um.	\\
21	&	MK:	&	 Oh and I do know a little bit of Spanish.	\\
22	&	Brad:	&	 Oh.	\\
23	&	MK:	&	 I took Spanish in college and in high school, so.	\\
24	&	Brad:	&	 Oh, OK. Beautiful. Um. So when did you start learning Pohnpeian or speaking it? Did you learn it as a child?	\\
25	&	MK:	&	 Um, I learned it as a child. English was actually, I guess, my first language, um, but that was `cause we were living in the states, and then when I was two years old we moved to Pohnpei and I totally forgot English and I only spoke Pohnpeian. And then I started learning, um, English when I was going to school. My mother's, my mother is American, um, so she would speak English to me, but I never understood what she was saying, so it forced her, um, learn how to speak Pohnpeian. So that we could communicate.	\\
26	&	Brad:	&	 OK.	\\
27	&	MK:	&	 Um, but, yeah. So I actually say Pohnpeian is my, um, first language. Then, yeah, learned English along the way.	\\
28	&	Brad:	&	 OK. Did you ever use Pohnpeian in the schools here?	\\
29	&	MK:	&	 Um, with my friends. I went to a private school, so it was only English, though, we were taught in English. Um, teachers were Americans, principal was American. We only had two teachers that were Pohnpeians at the time. Um, so it was mostly English. Yeah.	\\
30	&	Brad:	&	 OK. Um, what do you think of that? Of schools that only teach in English here?	\\
31	&	MK:	&	 Um, private schools (.) I think there is also, I mean, it's, it's great that they teach the kids English and how to speak it properly, how to write it properly, correctly. But, then, um, I still think that they need to also teach the Pohnpeian language. Um, well, depending on what island you're from. Uh, like if you're from, or this school is in Pohnpei, the Pohnpeian language. If the school is in Chuuk, Chuukese language. They need to teach that Micronesian island's language, um, because a lot of the students are from that island and when they're done with eighth grade, um, some of them don't even know how to, um, write. They know how to speak their own language, but they don't know how to read it or write it themselves.	\\
32	&	Brad:	&	Mmm.	\\
33	&	MK:	&	 So they end up trying to teach their, themselves how to read and write and usually that's wrong.	\\
34	&	Brad:	&	 OK.	\\
35	&	MK:	&	 Because, yeah, they write it incorrectly. Um, so, yeah. I think it's great for kids, especially if they're looking at going to school in the states or working in the government, national government or anything, to learn, to learn English right away, but it's also very important to also teach them their local language, as well.	\\
36	&	Brad:	&	 OK. Can you write Pohnpeian using the standardized orthography? The writing system?	\\
37	&	MK:	&	Mmm, yeah.	\\
38	&	Brad:	&	 And how did you learn to do that?	\\
39	&	MK:	&	 Um, I basically taught myself and with the assistance of my father.	\\
40	&	Brad:	&	 OK.	\\
41	&	MK:	&	Mmm. And my family, my local family.	\\
42	&	Brad:	&	Mmm.	\\
43	&	MK:	&	 Um (.) But, he, when we were going to school, he would give us, like, Pohnpeian stuff to read and, you know, not only be only reading English books and stuff.	\\
44	&	Brad:	&	 So what kind of-	\\
45	&	MK:	&	 Sorry. Sorry. ((Cell phone rings))	\\
46	&	Brad:	&	 No, that's OK.	\\
47	&	MK:	&	((Talks on phone in Pohnpeian)) 	\\
48	&	Brad:	&	 It's OK. OK. Um, so what kind of things would you read in Pohnpeian as a kid?	\\
49	&	MK:	&	 Um, well, of course the bible. @ Um, we did a lot of, like, we went to our Catholic mission, you know, um, is, um, in Pohnpeian and you had to get com- what is it? Communion in Pohnpeian, so that was, um, Pohnpeian. Learned the prayers in Pohnpeian. Um, read (.) Even his own writing, `cause he, uh, worked for historic preservation. He did, um, reports and stuff in Pohnpeian, so we'd read that. Um, my grandmother only wrote Pohnpeian, so. Well, I guess she wrote, um, Japanese, but she never wrote Japanese, so since we can't read Japanese. Um, but, yeah, she wrote in Pohnpeian. Um, posters, books, just about everything and anything billboards, I guess, at that time. Songs. Yeah.	\\
50	&	MK:	&	 OK, OK. Um, do you know how to speak Min-Ming?	\\
51	&	Brad:	&	 A little, not, not fluently.	\\
52	&	MK:	&	 OK.	\\
53	&	Brad:	&	Mmm.How did you learn that?	\\
54	&	MK:	&	 Um, basically, we were taught it as a young age. But, because we were young at that time we didn't really care about learning. Um, now I find that it's very important to learn it. And, so I'm just learning through my uncles and aunties. Um, and asking them questions along the way. Um, but, yeah. Basically just through them.	\\
55	&	Brad:	&	 OK.	\\
56	&	MK:	&	 And listening to other people speaking it.	\\
57	&	Brad:	&	 OK.	\\
58	&	MK:	&	Mmm.	\\
59	&	Brad:	&	 Um, so when you were young, your parents that were teaching it? Or other family members?	\\
60	&	MK:	&	 Yeah, my, yeah, my father, uh, my grandmother. Just different family members.Mmm.	\\
61	&	Brad:	&	 OK. um, how often do you use it?	\\
62	&	MK:	&	 Um, surprisingly, now, quite often. Um, I use very minimal, but, um, it's a lot because I have a cousin who is our traditional chief for the community that I come from, the village that I come from. And so, yeah, we have to use Meing with him.	\\
63	&	Brad:	&	 OK. In what kind of situations would you use it with him? Or in general?	\\
64	&	MK:	&	 Just even saying, ``Hi, hello, how are you" you have to use ia iromwi and not just ia iromw. You know.	\\
65	&	Brad:	&	Mmm.	\\
66	&	MK:	&	 Like, just simple, every day.	\\
67	&	Brad:	&	 Mmm. OK.	\\
68	&	MK:	&	Mmm.	\\
69	&	Brad:	&	 Um, if you could learn any language right now, which one would it be?	\\
70	&	MK:	&	 Um, besides the ones that I already know?	\\
71	&	Brad:	&	Mmm. Or if you want to learn any better than you currently speak?	\\
72	&	MK:	&	 Uh (.) I'd probably say, I don't know. Maybe Japanese.	\\
73	&	Brad:	&	 OK. And why do you say that?	\\
74	&	MK:	&	 Well, Jap, Japan is another country that is quite strong and influential in the world. Um, and if I'd ever want to go work in Japan I'd have to know Japanese.	\\
75	&	Brad:	&	 OK.	\\
76	&	MK:	&	 No, no, but, yeah. Um, out of the Asian countries, I think Japan is more, um, respected and more, I guess, a lot of people work with Japan more. Or at least here in the FSM. We work with Japan a lot and it'd be just good to be able to communicate with them at their level.	\\
77	&	Brad:	&	 OK.	\\
78	&	MK:	&	Mmm.	\\
79	&	Brad:	&	 All right. Um (.) This is a very subjective question, but do you think that any languages sound beautiful or ugly or not?	\\
80	&	MK:	&	 I think yeah. I mean, there are languages that sound really ugly. Can't think of them right now, but there are some that are just, like, very rapid and, like, just doesn't make any sense.	\\
81	&	Brad:	&	Mmm.	\\
82	&	MK:	&	 Um, but there are languages that are more rhythmic and, like, you know, like, I don't know, singing so we have of course. Um (.) Every language is different.	\\
83	&	Brad:	&	Mmm.	\\
84	&	MK:	&	 It's just the way you perceive it, I guess. Yeah. I'm trying to think what language. I don't think I have a favorite language. I love Pohnpeian, of course, because I am a proud Pohnpeian. But, of course, that's being biased. @ Um (.) Yeah, I think (.) Work with a lot of Australians. I'm finding their accents not very nice.	\\
85	&	Brad:	&	Mmm.	\\
86	&	MK:	&	 Like, there's some words that they say that's nice. Others are kinda, you know, just the way they speak. Um (.) Yeah, I can't think of any.	\\
87	&	Brad:	&	 OK. Um, what about with Micronesian languages? Do you, like, find some more beautiful than others or more ugly? Or (.) What do you-	\\
88	&	MK:	&	 Well, of course I love the Pohnpeian language. @	\\
89	&	Brad:	&	 Right, of course.	\\
90	&	MK:	&	 Um, I don't, I don't find the languages to be ugly. I jut find it's more difficult to say. Like the Yapese, um, language to me, it's harder for, for me to get my tongue to just say what it, you know, wrap around the word that they're trying to, uh, make me say. But, there's no real language that I find to be ugly.	\\
91	&	Brad:	&	 OK. Interesting.	\\
92	&	MK:	&	 It's very interesting, I think.	\\
93	&	Brad:	&	 Yeah.	\\
94	&	MK:	&	 The different languages.	\\
95	&	Brad:	&	 OK.	\\
96	&	MK:	&	 Even, you know, Micronesia.	\\
97	&	Brad:	&	Mmm. So how are you learning or have you learned other Micronesian languages?	\\
98	&	MK:	&	 Just by going to the places or I have friends from there that, you know, they'll teach me a few of their words.	\\
99	&	Brad:	&	Mmm.	\\
100	&	MK:	&	 Um, yeah. I wouldn't (.) But, um, I bring a lot of, uh, volunteers from Australia to the other, um, Micronesian islands and, so, through that I try to learn, um, the language. Or at least a few words so I can make them chuckle.	\\
101	&	Brad:	&	 OK. Uh, do you have any kids at all? Or-	\\
102	&	MK:	&	 I have one.	\\
103	&	Brad:	&	 OK. Um, do you want that, your kid to be multilingual at all? Or-	\\
104	&	MK:	&	 Yeah. I think it's important `cause I'm Pohnpeian and I'm also American. Um, so I believe it's very important for him to learn Pohnpeian, know Pohnpeian. Speak it, write it, um, and same as English. He's also Kosraean. Um, so, hopefully, um, his Kosraean family will be able to teach him Kosraean. Um (.)	\\
105	&	Brad:	&	 OK.	\\
106	&	MK:	&	 Or speak to him more in Kosraean `cause I think it's important that he also knows his other language.	\\
107	&	Brad:	&	 OK. Um, are there languages that you don't want him to learn? Or not to?	\\
108	&	MK:	&	 No, no.	\\
109	&	Brad:	&	 OK. OK. Um, so you said you worked with Australian volunteers. So what exactly do you do for your job?	\\
110	&	MK:	&	 I'm the country representative, um, for the Australian Volunteers International North Pacific Program. Um, we work with different, um, different organizations to bring in volunteers from Australia, so. In, besides just creating assignments for the, our volunteers, um, we're also doing orientation for them. Um, bringing them into country and then teaching them about the traditions, cultures, from, in each island country.	\\
111	&	Brad:	&	 OK. Great. So at work in the office, what language or languages do you use?	\\
112	&	MK:	&	 Um, English and Pohnpeian, depending on who I'm speaking with.	\\
113	&	Brad:	&	 OK. Um, so give me an example of when you would use English or when you would use Pohnpeian.	\\
114	&	MK:	&	 Well, I would definitely, um, use English when I'm speaking to my Australian volunteers.	\\
115	&	Brad:	&	Mmm.	\\
116	&	MK:	&	 Um, but if I'm calling the, you know, Marshall Islands, or, um, Chuuk, or any other non-Pohnpeian speaking, um, island or speaking to someone that's not from Pohnpei, I would use English. Usually when I'm speaking to someone from Pohnpei, I speak Pohnpeian.	\\
117	&	Brad:	&	 OK. Is there any time when you would use English with Pohnpeians?	\\
118	&	MK:	&	 If the Pohnpeian doesn't really understand Pohnpeian. Or maybe was born and raised in the US and came back and doesn't, you know, doesn't really speak Pohnpeian. Um (.) Or sometimes I might use Pohnpeian when, or English when you can't really describe what you're trying to say in Pohnpeian because there's no such word for such things.	\\
119	&	Brad:	&	Mmm. Can you give me an example?	\\
120	&	MK:	&	 Uh (.) On the spot, I can't think right now. Um (.)	\\
121	&	Brad:	&	 OK.	\\
122	&	MK:	&	 Well, like, even (.) Let me think. What were we (.) What were we talking? We were talking about child protection policies with Pohnpeians about two weeks ago and just the concept of having a child protection policy. You know, we have this, for English it's child protection policy, you have three, nice, easy words that people understand. Um, in Pohnpeian, we don't have (.) You can't translate it to just three simple words. It's more of a paragraph. So you describe it to them. Describe it to the Pohnpeians.	\\
123	&	Brad:	&	 Mmm.	\\
124	&	MK:	&	 And then just get, um, feedback, uh, from them to know if they really did understand what you were trying to say. Yeah.	\\
125	&	Brad:	&	 OK.	\\
126	&	MK:	&	 Yeah.	\\
127	&	Brad:	&	 OK. Um, do you feel that you use a lot of English words when you speak Pohnpeian? Borrowed words?	\\
128	&	MK:	&	 Um, no `cause I think I'm more aware of the borrowed words. Um, so I, yeah, I don't usually use, like, ``use."	\\
129	&	Brad:	&	Mmm.	\\
130	&	MK:	&	 I'm not using my zorries or whatever.	\\
131	&	Brad:	&	 OK. So you try not to use English words, like you're saying? Like, you're conscious about that and (.)	\\
132	&	MK:	&	 Yeah, yeah. `Cause I think, um, nowadays we're mixing it so much that it's becoming harder for people to actually speak their own language `cause we're, yeah, what, what we call soup. Mixing the two languages together.	\\
133	&	Brad:	&	Mmm.	\\
134	&	MK:	&	 Um, and then we don't form our, you know, we just use the way we speak.	\\
135	&	Brad:	&	 OK.	\\
136	&	MK:	&	 Through that. We're forgetting words, I think.	\\
137	&	Brad:	&	 Mmm. So what kind of people do you think generally use more English words in Pohnpeian?	\\
138	&	MK:	&	 Um, kind of people? Ones that work in government buil- government offices a lot. Um, people who have gone off to school in the US or have lived in the US for a long time. Um, come back, maybe their vocabulary has become very limited and so they, you know, mix.	\\
139	&	Brad:	&	 OK.	\\
140	&	MK:	&	 Um, yeah.	\\
141	&	Brad:	&	 So you wouldn't find that as much, like, in Kitti or \# parts of the island?	\\
142	&	MK:	&	 Yeah, you wouldn't use, yeah. You wouldn't see that mostly in the, yeah. More in the village and town, you would. I guess.	\\
143	&	Brad:	&	 OK.	\\
144	&	MK:	&	 Yeah, the people in town, you get a lot of mixing.	\\
145	&	Brad:	&	 OK. And do you feel this is limited, like, by age at all? Or, um, like do older people use a lot of English, too? Or is it more, like, younger people in a particular generation?	\\
146	&	MK:	&	 Like, how old are you talking about? Like, I would say maybe 40, 50, yeah there's a mixing. Um, but usually about 60 and over, they're not mixing their languages.	\\
147	&	Brad:	&	 OK.	\\
148	&	MK:	&	 Mmm.	\\
149	&	Brad:	&	 OK. Um (.) What do you think of, like, how would you describe the language situation in Pohnpei, in general? Like, what languages are used, where are they used, et cetera.	\\
150	&	MK:	&	 Um, well Pohnpei has (.) Since Pohnpei is, um, houses the capital of the FSM, we have people from the four states here working. And, so in the workplace, especially in the government, um, or, I don't know, where there's more Kosraeans, they're, they speak more Kosraean to each other. Um, Yapese speak more, you know, tend to speak Yapese to one another. Um, it's a very mixed language. Um, the, I guess the Pohnpeian. And we just speak it according to the situation. Did I answer the question? What's the question again?	\\
151	&	Brad:	&	 Um, how would you describe the language situation in Pohnpei?	\\
152	&	MK:	&	 Uh, just mixed and (.) I don't know. Very mixed. And people (.) Yeah, people just tend to speak the language that they were born speaking, um, unless it's, you know, to a Pohnpeian or Kosraean or talking, then they'd speak English, automatically speak English to each other.	\\
153	&	Brad:	&	 OK. Um, what about, like, in Sokehs? What would you describe that as? What's, like, with the outer islands? Like, Pingelapese, Mwokilese?	\\
154	&	MK:	&	 Well, in Sokehs, the, um, they're pretty much broken into s- different sections. And so the people from the Mortlocks on one end, um, the people from Mwoakilloa and Pingelap are from, are in other, you know, sections. Um, so it's not (.) I don't think it's not (.) It's, it's structured, I guess. Um (.) Uh, it's not confusing, you know, it's not chaotic or anything like that. People know where they're from and they speak the language that they're from.	\\
155	&	Brad:	&	Mmm.	\\
156	&	MK:	&	 Um, people from Mwokil and Pingelap, they tend to, if you're from Pingelap  you can speak Mwokilese to the, uh, Pingelapese and they can kind of talk to each other. Um, still understanding each other.	\\
157	&	Brad:	&	 OK. Um, what do you think about the linguistic future of the islands? Like, what do you, in, you know, ten, twenty, fifty years, what do you think it will be like here?	\\
158	&	MK:	&	 I think there is a movement to make it stronger, so, um, it'll still be Pohnpeian. Um (.) With the adopted words. Um (.) I, I don't know. It might not be as strong as it is now `cause a lot of kids are (.) More tending, tending to speak more English, I guess, maybe. But, no, it's still, I don't know. I think the communities, in the communities it's still very strong. That's, I mean, they're taught in Pohnpeian. They're taught to read, write, speak Pohnpeian, so it's, yeah, I think it'll still be.	\\
159	&	Brad:	&	 OK.	\\
160	&	MK:	&	 But, I don't think it'll be ruined. Yeah.	\\
161	&	Brad:	&	 OK. Um, do you think other Micronesians living on Pohnpei should learn Pohnpeian?	\\
162	&	MK:	&	 No. um, but they should know their own language. Um, but they, if they want to, because the Pohnpeian language is widely spoken here in Pohnpei, um, so it would be good to at least understand. They don't need to know it fluently, but good to understand. I mean, after all they're here in Pohnpei.	\\
163	&	Brad:	&	 OK.	\\
164	&	MK:	&	 If I went to Kapingamarangi I would want to learn Kapingamarangi, so I could be able to communicate with them better.	\\
165	&	Brad:	&	 OK. You think that's a commonly held view of amongst the people living in Pohnpei, that if I live someplace else I want to learn their language?	\\
166	&	MK:	&	 No.	\\
167	&	Brad:	&	 OK. Um, so you think, do you think overall that Pohnpeians want to preserve Pohnpeian in the future?	\\
168	&	MK:	&	 Yes, of course.	\\
169	&	Brad:	&	 Um, and what do you think, like, that foreigners want for Pohnpeians, like, language future? Um.	\\
170	&	MK:	&	 Um, I don't think foreigners, um (.) Well, what do you mean foreigners? Like, the, the (.) The western man? Or (.)	\\
171	&	Brad:	&	 So, like, um, maybe governments with embassies here or people that will affect policies.	\\
172	&	MK:	&	 Oh, they definitely need to learn Pohnpeian or at least try to understand the Pohnpeian culture. I work with people from, you know, like the diplomatic, um, communities, and they come in with a sense of thinking that their countries are right and ours is still a very developing culture and we don't know any better.	\\
173	&	Brad:	&	Mmm.	\\
174	&	MK:	&	 Um, so I think they need to learn at least a little Pohnpeian. Well, not even, I mean, not really Pohnpeian, but more the culture than the language.	\\
175	&	Brad:	&	Mmm.	\\
176	&	MK:	&	 But, through the language you learn the culture, so.	\\
177	&	Brad:	&	Mmm. Do you think they want to preserve Pohnpeian? Or do you think they have a different interest in mind?	\\
178	&	MK:	&	 They say they want to preserve Pohnpeian, but I think they have a different interest in mind. @	\\
179	&	Brad:	&	 @ Yeah. Um (.) Where do you, um, typically find (.) Like, where are your sources of information for, um, like, events that are happening here, happening in the world? Um, where do you find news and other, like, current events?	\\
180	&	MK:	&	 Um, well, for Pohnpei news, it's in the sakau Bars @. Or, basically through friends `cause you hear things. Um, so you talk to your friends, your family, find out through them. Um, through the radio station, um, newspaper.	\\
181	&	Brad:	&	 OK.	\\
182	&	MK:	&	 Um (.)	\\
183	&	Brad:	&	 In what languages are these in, typically?	\\
184	&	MK:	&	 Um, in the, on the radio it's usually, um, Pohnpeian, except for the world news. They also, they translate it into, um, English. Um, then we have CNN, as well, so.	\\
185	&	Brad:	&	Mmm.	\\
186	&	MK:	&	 Get a lot of that. And then internet, of course. Um (.) Uh, but mostly it's in Pohnpeian.	\\
187	&	Brad:	&	 OK. Um, when you use social media, like Facebook, do you typically post things or write things in English or Pohnpeian or another language or?	\\
188	&	MK:	&	 Uh, depends on who I am trying (.) Who I want them, who I want to know what I'm talking about. If it's, um, if it's directed to Pohnpeians, then it would be mostly Pohnpeian. If it's directed to Pohnpeians, Kosraeans, Americans, everyone, it'd be in English so that everybody understands.	\\
189	&	Brad:	&	 OK.	\\
190	&	MK:	&	 Um, but, yeah. It really depends on who you're, who I'm talking to.	\\
191	&	Brad:	&	 OK. Great. Um, yeah, those are the, the questions that I have so far. Um, is there anything else that you want to comment about, uh, language in Pohnpei or usage or, um-	\\
192	&	MK:	&	 Um.	\\
193	&	Brad:	&	 Your goal for the future or whatever?	\\
194	&	MK:	&	 Pohnpeian, I would say, I think, without the language, without our own language, we would lose our culture. Um, so it's very important for us to learn our language, um, to maintain our culture and our traditions. Uh (.) Uh (.) I guess we are seeing that with, like, the Ming, um, language. Um, we're not speaking it enough and it's being used improperly now. Um, but we're hoping that we can record all of that. All of the, you know, all of that knowledge and those, the vocab, the vocabulary so that we know how to use it in the future once our elders have passed. Um, so we're, there's a few communities that are trying to preserve, you know, write down, record everything. Um, it's taking a lot of time, but, of course, it's a huge language.	\\
195	&	Brad:	&	Mmm.	\\
196	&	MK:	&	 Um, yeah, so. I think that's it.	\\
197	&	Brad:	&	 OK. Well, thank you.	\\
198	&	MK:	&	 All right, thank you.	\\
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